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Usenet Mac Digest     Thursday, May 12, 1988         Volume 4 : Issue 60

Today's Topics:
     HELP!! -- MAC NO LONGER RECOGNIZES FLOPPY DRIVES!!
     Displaywrite4/Quietwriter III font on Mac II?
     Mac on airplanes (2 messages)
     Re: Word 3.01 to Troff?
     Touch overlay (2 messages)
     $$$ for laser printouts (4 messages)
     MPW Fortran v1.0B2a
     Pro. Performer vs. Mastertracks Pro
     Cost of Imagewriter per page?
     Re: What's the best NETWORK? (9 messages)
     RE: flyback transformer dealer
     Re: Need supplier for Mac 512K flyback transformer
     Re: Grappler LQ Experience?
     4D networking (appleshare/tops)
     Re: Choosing closest-color-by-blending
     Re: documenting resources
     Re: NeWS on the MacII - Finder version?
     Re: Creating Startup Screens
     Mac Security

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From: [e-mail] (David Cohen)
Subject: HELP!! -- MAC NO LONGER RECOGNIZES FLOPPY DRIVES!!
Date: 2 May 88 22:24:32 GMT
Organization: The Big Electric Cat

Recently my sister called to tell me that her mac 512KE wasn't accepting
any disks of hers. She tried the external drive on another machine and
it worked as did the disks. All this lead me to suspect a  hardware
problem. I checked AppleLink's service database and found that there are
2 things to do at this point--one is to replace a chip in position d8,
the disk controller apparently and if that doesn't work, to swap the
logic board. I was hoping to attempt a repair with my partner who is
fairly expert at reparing IBM PC's and clones. I would like to know if
we will be able to do this easily --can we swap out the chip in d8 from
the  mac plus or SE or do we need a 512KE specifically? Is the chip
identified on the board or do we need some sort of documntation which we
don't have? Can we avoid the shocker on the video board or will this be
a dangerous sort of undertaking ? Can the case be opened with just the
torx screwdriver and some perseverance and ingenuity? Are their other
considerations here (warranty aside, since there is none anymore).

Thanks in advance for the technical support.
--
__
DC

P.S. The symptoms which I neglected to list above are the way the disks are ejected and the disk-with-an-x-in-it is displayed in both drives. Thanks again.

David Cohen                    {uunet}!mstan\
Big Electric Cat Public Unix           {bellcore,cmcl2}!cucard!dasys1!cohen
New York, NY, USA                               {sun}!hoptoad/


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From: [e-mail] (Arthur L. Chin)
Subject: Displaywrite4/Quietwriter III font on Mac II?
Date: 3 May 88 17:24:44 GMT
Organization: McKinsey & Company, Cambridge Systems Center

We have just acquired a Macintosh II with a Laserwriter IInt, and are
running Microsoft Word.  Before the Mac, we were forced to use
Displaywrite 4 and an IBM Quietwriter III.  The fonts on the printer
that conform to our company format are Modern 158 and Title 157, in IBM
font language.

The <obvious> request for help from all you font wizards is to find  the
corresponding look-alike fonts for the Mac II.  Please e-mail  any
suggestions to me.  They will be greatly appreciated.  If you  would
like the replies posted, let me know.

Mike Mine a Mac!  And thank you for your support.

__Arthur Chin__
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From: [e-mail] (Weng Seng Cheong)
Subject: Mac on airplanes
Date: 4 May 88 03:17:18 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY

I hope this is not an old issue. I intend to take my SE on the plane to
Europe. With the airlines' new carry-on luggage regulations, did  anyone
encounter any problems bringing his/her Mac on board? Helpful
suggestions or experiences will be appreciated.

Since I am on the subject, what are the good carrying cases for the Mac
SE in the market today? Or, what should I avoid?

Thanks in advance.
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Ithaca, NY14850


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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Fleishman)
Subject: Re: Mac on airplanes
Date: 6 May 88 16:43:44 GMT
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept, New Haven CT  06520-2158

The Macintosh Plus fits snugly but perfectly under the middle seat on a
Stretch 727, which, as far as I know, is the plane with _the_ smallest
amount of space per person not including 18-seat Cessnas.

Two ancedotes: 1. I had the same question, before I took my Mac on its
first trans- continental trip, so I called Apple Customer Relations.
The person I reached didn't know.  She went off for about five minutes,
came back and said, "I'm not sure. No one here has tried it."  "!" I
thought. 2. As a switch planes in Denver between an incredibly
comfortable and spacious 757, and board a Stretch 727, the head flight
attendant says to me, "You'll have to check that." "But I can't. It's
sensitive computer equipment.  It's not made to be shipped." "I'm sorry,
but it won't fit under the seat." "It did on the last plane; it's
designed to [okay, so I lied?]." "What was your last plane?" "A 757."
"[laughter]." Needless to say, I discovered I didn't lie, the Mac _does_
fit perfectly under a seat.

Caveats: The case I purchased from MacAid for about $60 is a soft case
with some reinforcement. Had it been a more inflexible case, I wouldn't
have been able to position it to stuff it under the middle 727 seat.
--
Glenn I. Fleishman, graphic designer & Mac apologist
[e-mail] or through r/Reply
"Andy Warhol lives. I think. Maybe not."


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From: [e-mail] (Joseph T. Klein (The Prince))
Subject: Re: Word 3.01 to Troff?
Date: 4 May 88 08:10:16 GMT
Organization: lakesys, division of xenophysiognomy research

I suspect it would not be hard to create a RTF (Rich Text Format) to
troff conversion using lex, sed, or grep. I have thought about doing
this myself but just haven't had the time or imediate need.

A troff to RTF program would be rather nice. It would give UN*X/Mac
people a means of exchanging formatted documents.


--
Joseph T. Klein                              |
Alternative Publications, Inc.               |      "Wisdom to know,
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From: [e-mail] (Amos Hornsby)
Subject: Touch overlay
Date: 3 May 88 11:06:35 GMT
Organization: STC Technology Ltd,Harlow,UK.

Does anybody know of a Touch overlay for the Mac screen (II or SE)
preferably attached to the ADB.  Please mail me quickly if you know of
such a product or anything similar. Thanks in advance

--
   Amos Hornsby
   STC Technology Ltd. London Road, Harlow, Essex.
             ([e-mail] <or> ...seismo!mcvax!ukc!stl!ah2
         <or> PSI234237100122::ah2 <or> [phone] x2725)


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From: [e-mail] (Phil Kahn)
Subject: Re: Touch overlay
Date: 4 May 88 16:50:23 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mt. View, CA [phone]

At MacWorld SF I saw a touch screen by a company called MicroTouch
Systems Inc, 10 State Street, Woburn, MA 01801 USA, [phone],
Telex 530264 MTS, Fax [phone].  I played with it for a minute or
so, but that is the extent of my personal familiarity with it.

phil...


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From: [e-mail] (Jay Garvin)
Subject: $$$ for laser printouts
Date: 4 May 88 10:23:01 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii Computing Center

Hi folks,  Aloha from Hawaii!

I have some questions for all of you out there who manage Macintosh
facilities at a University:

    1 -Do you charge your students, faculty, and staff for printouts
        on your LaserWriters?

    2 -If so, how much?

    3 -If not, why not?

    4 -What kinds of problems did you run into?

Also let me know how many installations you have and about how many
total macs you have at your place.  We are trying to get some ideas on
this as our Macintosh facilities expand here...

Thanks for your comments!

-Jay Garvin,
 Computer Specialist, uhcc
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From: [e-mail] (David M. O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: $$$ for laser printouts
Date: 5 May 88 04:45:14 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State University -- San Luis Obispo

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jay Garvin) writes:
>    1 -Do you charge your students, faculty, and staff for printouts
>        on your LaserWriters?

   I assisted the UC Irvine in setting up a Mac lab with a Laser
printer. Originally they didn't charge for use but that got old real
quick.  They were going thru 6 toner carts every two weeks, about
18-19,000 pages.  After they started charging it went down to 1 toner
cart. a month.
   We also used to offer a service thru the bookstore for laser
printing.

>    2 -If so, how much?

   Both the bookstore and the Mac Lab settled on a price of .25 cents
per page.
>    4 -What kinds of problems did you run into?

   Most of the problems were with people who didn't know how to set up a
document for the LaserPrinter.  A some people who did know were
unwilling to take the time, and then they would complain about the
results.
   It was no big deal in the lab since the computers were there to be
used. But people who used to come by the bookstore seemed to feel they
had the right to sit there and occupy our display machines all day.  We
finally had to start charging people for machine time if they had to do
editting in the store.  If they complained we sent them to the lab which
was free.  After we started charging for machine time you would be
amazed at how many people could get it right the first time, that
couldn't get it right at all before we started charging.

>Also let me know how many installations you have and about how many
>total macs you have at your place.  We are trying to get some ideas
>on this as our Macintosh facilities expand here...

   Well we had approx. 30 mac's in the lab with one Laser Printer.  And
the store had one of each model of Macintosh set up and one Laser
Printer.
--
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Steele)
Subject: Re: $$$ for laser printouts
Date: 5 May 88 16:29:33 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Acadia Univ., Nova Scotia

>     1 -Do you charge your students, faculty, and staff for printouts
>         on your LaserWriters?

Yes to all of them, both Mac Lab, PC Lab, and mainframes.

>     2 -If so, how much?

15 cents a page. This price is based on both keeping the machine in
toner and paper as well as accumulating enough to perhaps buy a second
printer when this wears out or becomes overworked.

>     4 -What kinds of problems did you run into?

Actually, not as many as we thought. On our old TurboDOS (CP/M clone)
network (some 60 stations and on its last legs), we wrote our own print
software which automatically costed pages and made up appropriate letter
quality bills. Students have to pre-pay before they can print. Now that
we're using PC's and Macs, we don't have as much flexibility. That is,
the operator has to count the pages. An unfortunate job but it has to be
done if we intend to charge for laser pages.

> Also let me know how many installations you have and about how many

We have a 12 station Mac SE lab for student use, as well as various
other Macs at other locations (such as the Mac II in my office) hooked
up as well. The lab was *very* heavily used this past year, especially
during "thesis week" (the week theses are due) and we see only increased
use next year (this past year was the first year we had a Mac Lab up and
running).

Other universities use debit cards and various other techniques but we
found there was no better solution than manual counting. We would really
like to have accounting software like we have on our TurboDOS system but
have found nothing that seems to do the job...
--
Peter Steele, Microcomputer Applications Analyst
Acadia University, Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P1X0 [phone]x121
UUCP: {uunet|watmath|utai|garfield}dalcs!aucs!Peter
BITNET: Peter@Acadia  Internet: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: $$$ for laser printouts
Date: 6 May 88 21:35:00 GMT


Here at the U of I, the cost is .10-.20 per page on laserwriter plus
printers.  The machines take magnetic cards, which also operate Xerox
machines.Each card can hold up to 400 ticks.  Vending machines sell
cards with 5 ticks for $1.  A card can hold up to 400 ticks total. The
quantity discount is something like:

    1-100 ticks    10 ticks/dollar
     101-200 ticks    14 ticks/dollar
    201-399 ticks    17 ticks/dollar
    400 ticks    20 ticks/dollar

My card says "Dual Office Supplies, 2411 Bond St, University Park, IL
60466, [phone]".  Perhaps these people (the card sellers) know
about the vending machines.


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From: [e-mail] (William Lipa)
Subject: MPW Fortran v1.0B2a
Date: 3 May 88 20:47:35 GMT

I have had a chance to work the the Beta 2a version of Language Systems
Corp.'s Fortran for the past week. This is a Fortran compiler that works
within the MPW environment.

There are good things and bad things about this Fortran. The good thing
is that the MPW shell moves away from the graphical interface just
enough to give the programmer more power, but not so much that it
becomes difficult to use. Consequently, MPW Fortran is less frustrating
to work with than Absoft Fortran, which (among many other things)
suffers from a lack of indirect command files.

The bad thing is that the compiler still has a ways to go before
release. There are important bugs in the areas of: file input/output,
expressions involving complex numbers, data statements, and functions
which treat their return result as a variable to play around with. This
is in addition to the bugs mentioned in the release note for this
version, which affect adjustable arrays, block data subprograms,
alternate returns from subprograms, and some compiler switches. Also,
the compiler and the code it produces are quite slow. They hope to
increase speed dramatically in the final release.

I am excited by the potential of this product. It addresses many of the
failings of the Absoft compilter. However, at this point it is not very
useful because of the bugs.
--
Bill Lipa
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Summerall)
Subject: Pro. Performer vs. Mastertracks Pro
Date: 29 Apr 88 04:03:18 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I am in the market for a full-feature sequencer for my Mac II.  The two
best seem to be Professional Performer from Mark of the Unicorn  (v
2.31) and the new Mastertracks Pro from Passport Designs.

What experiences have people had with these two packages?  I have used
both minimally.  (I have a demo copy of Mastertracks which keeps
crashing)

They seem pretty equally matched.  Are there any other sequencers at
this level that will work on a Mac II?

Thanks in advance...
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From: [e-mail] (Bill /Prune/ Wickart)
Subject: Cost of Imagewriter per page?
Date: 29 Apr 88 13:56:15 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro


   A local business recently donated some gift certificates to a club I
run. Since they don't usually do this, they asked me to draw up the
certificates. I did this on our Mac II, and tested the new 4-color
ribbon on our Imagewriter II with the result.

   The donor liked them so much, she wants a price quote for the things
in quantity. I can place values on my time and paper, but I would like
your ideas on what to charge for wear & tear on the Mac, Imagewriter,
and ribbon.

   Please mail directly to me. If anyone is interested in the results,
also send mail, and I will reply by either mail or posting to this
group, as suggested by the volume of responses (calculated ambiguity).
--
   Thanks in advance
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From: avalon@ssyx (Scott A. McIntyre)
Subject: Re: What's the best NETWORK?
Date: 4 May 88 15:43:50 GMT

  I work in a Mac Lab here at UCSC, and we are running Farallon Phone
Net on a mere 8 macintoshes and 1 LW and 1 IWII.  So far, the biggest
problem we have come into is the file server (tops I think) is connected
to a Sun in the basement of our building, and it tends to slow down
after a while.

  Actually, I have a few questions for you all:  A while back someone
asked about security measures for a LW, and several alternatives were
offered in the way of having people pay for copies.  Can someone
summarize and send it to me?  Or, just answer this.  When someone comes
into the lab, we request they sign in, and give us their ID card.  This
has proved to be a hassle,  especially when they don't give it to us and
sneak in when we aren't looking, forget that they didn't give it to is,
and want us to buy them a new one when we don't have it in our drawer.
Anyway, we kidna want to get away from this system.  What alternatives
are there?  We charge .25 a page for the LW and the IWII is free.

  Another question:  Yesterday, the lab was really packed, and everyone
wanted to print and get to class in a hurry, well, it came time for one
person to print and the chooser said that the Imagewriter was not
available....My jaw dropped....Upon closer examination, somehow the
Imagewriter driver had been reduced from 31k to .5k  WHY?  I personally
installed all of the disks with the full 31k IW driver, and they worked
fine till yesterday, when poof!

Thanks!

Scott

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From: [e-mail] (David M. O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: What's the best NETWORK?
Date: 5 May 88 05:16:08 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State University -- San Luis Obispo

  In the networks that I have set up I have noticed a significant
performance hit in a network with over twenty nodes.  Apple says no more
than 32, but my rule of thumb is no more than 18.  If there are more
than 18 nodes you should get a bridge and break the network into two
zones.  Remember you have to count all Appletalk devices on the network,
Appletalk ImageWriter, All the turned on Macintosh's, and all the turned
on LaserWriters.  And any other Appletalk Device that's turned on.
  Also make sure that **EVERY** single Macintosh on the network is using
the same version of the LaserWriter print driver.  If someone uses a
different LaserWriter driver than everyone else, even for just one print
job, it can cause serious problems for everyone else.  The only solution
after that happens is to turn off the LaserWriter, and have everyone go
back to chooser again.

>We are thinking of moving to AppleShare.  We are waiting for the
>How about some others, like TOPS?

  AppleShare is just about the best file server software out there in my
opinion.  If you have more than 10 people using the file server it's
also cheper than TOPS.
  Tops is good, but each workstation in the network can be setup as a
server for every other workstation.  This is the best part of Tops, it's
distributed. Appleshare is centralized.  The debate regarding
Centralized and distributed systems has been going on for about 20-30
years now, and I'm not about to make the definative statment regarding
which is best.  You have to analyse your particular situation, and then
decide for yourself.
  Tops takes more memory from each workstation, and if a workstation has
allowed others to access it then the user will notice SIGNIFICANT
periods of dead time when others are requesting information from that
particular workstation.  Although it's not required, most people end up
dedicating a machine as a server anyways, because no one wants to use a
machine that is fast one second, and slow the next.  Also since people
can use a Machine that is also serving the network, if that machine
crashes because they choose to run some "bad" software, then it
destroy's everyone else on the network. If you have central file server,
and that's all it does, then it's easier to maintain network stability.
  TOPS is excellent is some situation.  Those situation are when you
have more than one type of computer on the network, Macs ---> MS-Dos -->
Sun  workstations.  And TOPS is cheaper if you have fewer than 10
workstations on the network.
  But if you have more than 10 workstotions, and they are all Mac's,
then I'd recommend Appleshare.  It's cheaper for one.  And in my opinion
offers more features.  It has good security measures.  It is directly
supported thru the finder.  You can use TOP's volumes from the finder,
but they have their own security method that the finder knows nothing
about.  Security is implemented in a DA that either allows you to
"mount" a volume, or not "mount" a volume.  Once the volume is mounted
that's it.  You now have access to the whole thing.  TOP's does allow
you to just offer "Folders" over the network, but when someone else
mount's that folder on their workstation it creates a desktop file in
the folder, that's fine for the workstation, but what that does to the
original Harddisk that it came from I don't know.

>Is it smart to go with AppleShare for the future standards?

  If anyone has the clout to set a standard, I'd rather bet on Apple
than some other company that's doing the same thing.  Most file server
software has been modified for Apple's new standards.  Notice Apple
didn't modify their software to meet someone else's standard.  Also a
lot of multiuser software has been modified to work with Appleshare, and
Appleshare offers some features that make it easier for a programmer to
implement multi-user software, most other network software doesn't yet
offer these "internal" features.  And now that Appleshare is around,
they will most likely duplicate the Appleshare model, rather than triing
to go it alone with their own way of doing things.
--
David M. O'Rourke

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Holzgrafe)
Subject: Re: What's the best NETWORK?
Date: 5 May 88 17:22:45 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

I hope no-one minds a partisan pointing out that current versions of
AppleShare do support MS-DOS and [ version 2.0 will support ] Pro-DOS
(Apple II) workstations as well as Macs.

I don't work on AppleShare, so please don't send questions to me...
you'll find me to be pretty ignorant about the details. :-)
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Steele)
Subject: Re: What's the best NETWORK?
Date: 5 May 88 18:16:34 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Acadia Univ., Nova Scotia

We use MacJANET here in our student lab.  I think it is the best
available for a student environment, much better than TOPS, MacServe, or
Appleshare. It isn't perfect, but it does what it does very well.  We
have 21 stations, 4 IW II's, and a LaserWriter Plus. All networking is
with PhoneNET.

MacJANET is available through Apple Canada or from Watcom Products in
Ontario [phone].
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Acadia University   BITNET:   Paul@Acadia
Wolfville, NS       Internet: [e-mail]
CANADA  B0P 1X0     [phone]x587


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From: [e-mail] (Usenet News Administrator)
Subject: Re: What's the best NETWORK?
Date: 6 May 88 16:34:40 GMT
Organization: Motorola GEG, Scottsdale, Az

We have 28 Macs, 4 Laserwriter Pluses 10 IBM PC's and 3 Sun 3/260
servers with  18 clients on or TOPs net.  It is divided into 2 Zones
with 2 Kinetics Fastpath gateways and is both stable and reliable.  Our
Macs are Mac Pluses and Mac SEs
>Could these things be caused by running MacServe to it's limits, or
Another group here runs MacServe and has experienced the simptoms with
many fewer devices then you have.

>How about some others, like TOPS?
As I said we are using Tops for Mac 2.08, Tops for Sun 1.0 and Tops for
IBM PC 2.0.  We run it with InBox. My Mac is running diskless, ie my
system resides on one of the Sun servers. Tops for Sun make the Suns
into a Mac Fileserver but importantly (at least to us) it allows the
Suns to access all the Laserwriters on AppleTalk, which the PCs and Macs
also access.  We are using IDEs Software Through Pictures developement
Tool.  It wants to print through its own menu so haveing this driver
from Tops really helps.  Kspool couldn't do this and neither could
AppleShare. We really like Tops.  the only complaint is that if customer
support cannot answer your question right away and promise a call back,
they don't.
--
Alan Heflich
USENET {backbone}!nud!sleazy!Heflich
Internet  Heflich @ Dockmaster.arpa

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Steele)
Subject: Re: What's the best NETWORK?
Date: 6 May 88 12:04:30 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Acadia Univ., Nova Scotia

In my early investigation of Appleshare, I was told that if you wanted
to have 10 people running the same program, then there would have to be
10 different copies of the software on the file server.  This was
totally unacceptable so we went with MacJANET, which did not have this
restriction. Does the current Appleshare allow a single copy of a
program to be used simulataneously by any number of users?
--
Paul H. Steele      USENET:   {uunet|watmath|utai|garfield}!dalcs!aucs!Paul
Acadia University   BITNET:   Paul@Acadia
Wolfville, NS       Internet: [e-mail]
CANADA  B0P 1X0     [phone]x587


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From: [e-mail] (Byron Han)
Subject: Re: What's the best NETWORK?
Date: 9 May 88 15:51:48 GMT
Organization: Communication Tools Group - Apple Computer, Inc.

I believe part of the problem lies in the fact that many applications
are not licensed to be placed on file servers and multi-launched.
Therefore, if  10 people want to run their Mac??? software package, they
should actually have 10 copies of Mac??? on their file server.

Most applications that are well behaved (e.g. follow TechNotes 115/116)
by not writing to themselves, numbering temporary files can be made
sharable by setting a bit using ResEdit.  Unfortunately, many
applications are NOT well behaved, e.g. they hard code their temp file
names, store configuration information in their resource/data fork, do
not check for result codes from File Manager and Resource Manager calls,
etc etc etc.

Writing an AppleShare compatible application requires some thought.  It
is not as easy as writing a MultiFinder compatible application because
you need to check all File and Resource Manager calls.
--
Byron Han,  Communications Tool            "OS/2 - Half of an operating system."
Apple Computer, Inc. MS 27Y                -------------------------------------
ATTnet:408-973-6450     applelink:HAN1     domain:[e-mail]       MacNET:HAN
GENIE:BYRONHAN    COMPUSERVE:72167,1664    UUCP:{sun,voder,nsc,decwrl}!apple!han


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From: [e-mail] (Aron Roberts)
Subject: Re: What's the best NETWORK?
Date: 10 May 88 03:17:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

Actually, most licensing agreements we have seen recently permit a
single copy of an application program to be placed on a file server and
multilaunched, as long as the individual or organization operating the
file server has purchased at least as many individual copies of the
package as the maximum possible number of simultaneous users of that
package.  (This does not take into account the increasing number of
site, server, or multiple user licenses which are becoming available.)

Like Mr. Steele, we have been using Waterloo MacJANET in our academic
microcomputer lab.  I have extremely impressed with its performance in
this setting.  One particular attribute which has proven attractive is
the ability to permit multilaunching of applications from *read-only*
volumes, permitting a high degree of protection from alteration and
piracy and simplifying routine server maintenance.

Disclaimer:  I speak only for myself and not for the University of
California or any of its subsidiary departments or units.

   Aron Roberts  Tolman Microcomputer Facility
                 1535 Tolman Hall, University of California
                 Berkeley, CA 94720  [phone]
                 [e-mail]   [e-mail]


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From: korn@eris (Peter "Arrgh" Korn)
Subject: Multi-launch under Appleshare  [was Re: What's the best NETWORK?]
Date: 8 May 88 08:02:53 GMT
Organization: What, me organized???

It is indeed possible to run multiple copies of the same program under
AppleShare.  However, not just *any* program.  There is a bit called the
'shared' bit (though early versions of ResEdit got this bit confused
with the 'cached' bit) which you set in a program.  This says "I am
designed to be launched multiple times".  If you use ResEdit on
MicroSoft Word sometime, you'll notice that the 'shared' bit (or
'cached' bit, if you are using an older version of ResEdit) is set.  And
indeed, MS-Word can be launched multiple times.

To be a multi-launch program really all that needs to happen is that you
don't write to yourself; alter yourself in any way (such as saving the
window positions of your windows to be MultiFinder friendly in the
resource fork of yourself -- if you want to do this, use a configuration
file that you save somewhere [like the System Folder maybe]).

I haven't used MacJANET, but I would be curious as to what happens when
two people try to run a program which modifies itself (like perhaps my
Graphic Load Average program, which writes to itself 'cause I took the
cheap way out for the sake of compactness & speed).  I would expect one
to crash... (but after seeing what Radius is doing with making all menus
tear-off [even ones that aren't], I'll believe most any mac
wizardry...).

Peter -- Peter "Arrgh" Korn [e-mail]
{decvax,dual,hplabs,sdcsvax,ulysses}!ucbvax!korn


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From: [e-mail] (Gregory Hulbert)
Subject: RE: flyback transformer dealer
Date: 4 May 88 17:23:27 GMT

I pulled this information off the FidoNet a couple months ago; hope it
helps.

>From:    Dave Wells
To:      Bob Falcon                                Subject: Re: flybacks

In case you care, my company sells flybacks for about $25 I think.  I'm
not sure about the stock situation, so give a call. T.S.I. (503)
345-7395
 *No disclaimer here - I obviously have some sort of interest!

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From: [e-mail] (jetzer)
Subject: Re: Need supplier for Mac 512K flyback transformer
Date: 9 May 88 14:43:00 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Pre-Owned Electronic [phone], 30 Clematis Ave, Waltham, MA 02154,
lists Mac flyback transformers for $49 each (or cheaper if you buy a lot
of them).  They don't say which Mac they're for, but you could inquire
--
Mike Jetzer
"Hack first, ask questions later."


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From: [e-mail] (David M. O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Grappler LQ Experience?
Date: 4 May 88 18:02:27 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State University -- San Luis Obispo

  I have one of these little goodies hooked up to an LQ1500 and it
works! But that's about all I have to say for it.  It is incosistant in
the placement of the graphics, ie sometimes the letters look fine, and
the next letter will look weird, you'd have to see it to understand it.
We have not be satified at all, and have gone back to the ImageWriter
II.

  My recommendation, buy a LaserWriter SC.  That's the cheap way out, my
real recommendation is buy a LaserWriter II NT, but that's real
expensive. Also you might be happy with one of the numerous non-apple
laser printers, including the GCC Personal LW, and the AST TurboLaser.


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Neruda)
Subject: 4D networking (appleshare/tops)
Date: 5 May 88 02:46:58 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Computer & Information Science

We are in the process of finishing up our first database using 4D and I
would
  appreciate any advice on which networking scheme to use.  We are
presently
  using TOPS 2.0 which still seems to have a couple of bugs in it but
would
  possibly work.   Has anybody have a positive or neg. feedback about
using 4D with TOPS or
  Appleshare?

            steve neruda ([e-mail])

[Please email any responses to me directly are I don't right now have
  the time to keep up on such a high traffic news group.]


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Bayes)
Subject: Re: Choosing closest-color-by-blending
Date: 26 Apr 88 21:30:53 GMT
Organization: HP Ft. Collins, Co.

The solution we use in the Series 300 under Pascal Workstation OS is
proprietary, so I can give you the method but not the code.

(When I say add x to y, I mean add red component of x to red component
of y,  green of x to green of y, and blue of x to blue of y, storing
result in y. Rx is shorthand for "red component of x".)

We work only in RGB, not in HSL.

Create two color vectors, RGB and rgb. Initialize RGB to R=0,G=0,B=0.
Initialize rgb to r=0,g=0,b=0. "Desired color" means the RGB color you
wish  to approximate.

Now do 4 times:
    Add desired color to RGB
    find clut entry x such that (Rx+r-R)^2+(Gx+g-G)^2+(Bx+b-B)^2 is minimal
    remember index of x
    add x to rgb.

rgb is now the closest approximation to RGB available in the clut.

It gets a little slow for large cluts (eg 256 entry), but gives very
good results, and maps a desired color that's found in the clut to that
entry.
--
Scott Bayes
bayes@hpfclw


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From: [e-mail] (Mark R. Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: documenting resources
Date: 29 Apr 88 15:16:02 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Washington Univ., St. Louis


A couple of weeks ago (<[e-mail]>), I asked the following
question of the net:

How does one document the resource "code" that is "written" using
ResEdit?

The responses kept trickling in, and this article attempts to summarize
all of those responses. (Sorry it has taken so long.) Thanks to all of
you who replied; I have not included your names here.
--
------------------------
There are several resource-decompilers available; they eat a resource
file and spit out ASCII text which is suitable for input into one of the
standard resource-compilers.

In particular:
MPW (Macintosh Programmers Workshop)
includes a pair of tools called a resource compiler and resource decompiler.
They've defined a textual specification language for describing resource
contents; the compiler (Rez) converts text files to resources;
the decompiler (DeRez) converts resource files to Rez source format.
You can build resources using ResEdit or whatever, then
use the decompiler to make a textual equivalent for documentation purposes,
including hard copy.
Some resources simply become hex dumps, but others are
converted into a more readable form.
You can create you own templates (using a language similar to C) for
the DeRez'ing so you can get
something more intelligable than a straight hex dump.
Both formatted and unformatted (hex dump) forms are accepted by Rez to
create a resource file.  The formatted version
requires the templates which are included with MPW.  The templates include
most all resources (DITL, DLOG, STR , WIND, vers, SIZE, etc.).

[MPW is available from APDA, 290 SW 43rd Street, Renton, WA  98055, USA.
Disclaimer: I have no connection with APDA at all!]
------------------------
There are also PD/shareware resource compilers & decompilers.
Try looking in the SUMEX archives for names like "DeRez", "ResTools", etc.

I believe there is a public domain/shareware program (ResDecomp?) to
convert resources into a textual form that would be accepted by RMaker,
which other development systems use to compile resources.
------------------------
One person says:
However, most people I know have never felt the need for hard copy of
resource files.  I just build them as I need them and keep plenty of
backups in case ResEdit turns around and bites me.

Someone else:
I don't find myself documenting resources for archival purposes.  Maybe
for describing them to others....(writing an article?)
------------------------
One person, [e-mail] (David Phillip Oster) asks:
Does anyone know
if there is any facility like '#define' in Rez? It would be useful for
example, to define a grid of editable text items, and have their size contained
in a single '#define'.

================================
Mark R. Kaufmann
UUCP: ...!ihnp4!wuphys!mrk
      ...!uunet!wucs1!wuphys!mrk
Internet: [e-mail]
================================


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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Verber)
Subject: Re: NeWS on the MacII - Finder version?
Date: 5 May 88 13:34:23 GMT
Organization: Ohio State University, Computer Science Department


It is hard to say what window system for A/UX Apple will really support
in the end.  I have heard a lot of talk about X.11.  On the other hand
there are a few NeWS team people from Sun now working at Apple.  The
product manager for A/UX use to be Sun's Window System product manager.
I expect we might see both NeWS and X.  Time will tell.
--
Cheers,
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Computer Science Department                     Mark A. Verber
The Ohio State University              [e-mail]
[phone]                  cbosgd!osu-cis!verber


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From: [e-mail] (xiaoxia ye)
Subject: Re: Creating Startup Screens
Date: 5 May 88 07:46:13 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


Macpaint 5.0 can save files in the StartupScreen format -- a small
add-on feature besides snapshot, magic eraser, multiple window opening,
etc.

Xiao
--
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[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Boris Altman)
Subject: Mac Security
Date: 5 May 88 14:45:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill

We are looking for some method to secure data on hard disks in 2
different situation: 1. when you leave your office for a while; 2.
Overnight. The ideal solution would be for (1) is something that you
could just type a password (no incription) and leave. For (2) we would
need something that would not mount the hard disk until the password is
given. To solve (2) Nightwatch from Kent Marsh comes close, but having
to insert a disk every time you reboot is not great. I also investigated
MacSafe, Sentinel, Ncriptor. They all have drawbacks. It is either time
consuming, or every time you create a new file you need to put it in the
set.
 I also just heard of Disklock DA. I would appreciate any info about it.
Shareware HDPassword is of no use since if you boot from a floppy, you
can do anything you want with the hard disk w/o password. Does anything
exist that would solve either or both problems? What do people use in
office environment? Any advice would be grately appreciated.
        Boris Altman
        {ihnp4,ucbvax}!ulysses!boris

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